Health care.... Quack care..... A doctor cannot heal you. ONLY your body can. It needs magnesium. Google magnesium-- human health. Epsom Salt has magnesium. 1 teaspoon a day by pinches. I will live to 140 for spite. I was prescribed 6 drugs. I take none. gary

 

"Forced to watch", Dave?

"A Clockwork Orange" type of scenario? Eyelid clips and all? What music is used?

Wow. That's right-Canada is still aligned with England, isn't it?

 

So, um, how do you handle drunk drivers up there?

 

"....off with his head...."

"....le guillotine..."

"...a last cigarette...?"

If there were a handy desert....stake them out and let the ants and buzzards have them.

The options are endless!

 

Who'd a thunk it? A thread about speeding/racing would turn into a political and social football?

My .01999,

Application of "racing" laws is not always fair or just. Many of the statutes were designed to curtail "organized" street racing, not the "oooh, let me show you how fast my car is" lapses in judgement on the freeway. However, because of the way the laws are written, they can be applied to either situation. An officer and the judge can and should take this in to consideration and exercise discretion when warranted.

The "Drag-Net" program was in Ontario CALIFORNIA not Canada. According to news reports "Each vehicle was suped up with illegally modified or stolen auto parts, the typical gear for illegal street racing as police say. One of them had every part except the hood and the trunk either altered or stolen." When departments confiscate illegal items, they are usually destroyed (e.g., narcotics). Because of obvious liability issues, it is not got good practice to auction off stolen or illegal property nor to return the property to the person from whom it was confiscated. Yes, this was a publicity stunt, but if it got the message to these "racers" and saved even one teen from injury or death it was worth it.

As a teen, I drove way too fast and took too many chances. As a cop, I have seen kids who weren't as lucky as I. One incident in particular comes to mind. A 16 year old driver with 3 passengers was racing up and down a "secluded" rural road. On his last run he hit a crest in the road and got a little light. His car drifted sideways and hit a tree at over 100 mph. The car was ripped in half, as was a 15 year old female passenger. As I surveyed this carnage I thought of my own precious daughters and how powerless parents are sometimes. It was almost too much to bear.

Laws are in place for a reason. Whether you call it socialism or not is irrelevant. Whether you live in a constitutional monarchy, a republic, a commonwealth, or a representative democracy you can: obey the law, break the law and risk the penalties, or work to change the law.

 

Well here's one for you,
My dad, a truck diver, was in Texas on a delivery. Flat open country. He pulled out from a stop sign with plenty of time to clear the intersection with his flatbed for the oncoming headlights. Little did he know a drag race was underway down the highway. Two teens decapitated that night as they drove under his trailer. Just shows no matter how "safe" you think the area is.. it's not always the case.

 

I cannot see anywhere that this was said to be in Canada, but cars can be crushed here as well, it could belong to someone else and it still gets crushed.

 

WOW - that was tough to watch - reminded me of the final scene in "Braveheart". I half way expected the first car to start screaming "FREEDOM!!!" after it's radiator was torn out

But - like many others have already said in this thread - if you're going to play, be ready to pay. If there is a possibility of your car being disemboweled for racing in that area, don't race in that area. Seems simple to me.

RL

 

I cut-n-pasted this from the "What did you do..." thread I originally posted my woes in:

Well, I got the news from my next door neighbor.

Original fine and points:

$845

6 points

He was able to get it reduced to:

$256.

2 points.

No dismissal. His buddy "Hizzoner 'da Judge" wouldn't hear of it. Can not/will not complain.

I have my neighbor's Lexus sedan in the driveway so I can start detailing it bright and early tomorrow.

And damned glad to have the opportunity to do it.

And even better: very, very little paint correctiom!

 

My brother has been convicted of drunk driving NO LESS than 6 times in 15 years in Michigan.

He has destroyed several cars (all those he was driving and two cars that he hit). So far, only he gets seriously injured, but he HAS injured others.

He has bought his way out every time, by writing checks big enough for the lawyer to "do his job for me".

He has spent, to the best of my knowledge, less than 20 days total in jail. Now, my data ends in 2003 as no one has heard from him since then. I do not know if he still drives, I only know that he has bill collectors after him because they contact me about twice a year looking for him. Oddly, I get more information out of a few of them, than they do me. It is because of them that I know he lives in Kalamazoo these days. But that is all I know. He has a Masters Degree and cleans pools and does odd jobs for a living.

Odd how you can buy your way out of trouble these days.

 

Not that I compare doing 30 over with driving drunk and crashing head on into a family of five.... (that was 1994)

 

PG, please be aware that I was NOT being sarcastic or facetious in these suggestions.

For DWI, I have very little (no) tolerance.

As to my 30 (39) over, I did it in as safe a manner as I could. No traffic in my direction of travel at all. That is why the trooper didn't cite me for reckless.

I'll admit it was ill-advised, but no more. I broke the law, got caught, and paid less than others because I'm fortunate enough to have a neighbor who, as a prosecutor, could have said tough titty. He knows that I drive slower, and safer than 95% of the others around here. He knows I screwed the pooch, but elected to do this for me. I DID NOT ASK. He offered.

 

Perfect advice IMO, well said.

 

If John did all that for me, I would ask who he had killed.... but it is good advise, but very few ever really do it... I may have just worked my last shift as a police officer today. I just haven't decided. But, back to the speeding. If you are a gear head, and yes, even cops are gear heads, you will go and play with your car somewhere. Hopefully somewhere on a closed course, or least traveled road...not in traffic per se. But as others have stated, if you do the crime be ready to pay the fine. My old signage in the cruiser borrowed from a trooper buddy of mine stated "Sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you". It is just the way it is. If you are dangerous, the crime increases. If you are just "testing" your car out, lol. Don't you think we know that? We have a car wash where I can always, always make a traffic stop If I chose to. You already know why. LOL... and that is my point. You know exactly what you are doing. Just like me. Just be safe in what you do. There are times and places to play, and there are times you shouldn't. I love cars, and love to talk to fellow gear heads. But I had a job to do as well...it just depended on what the guy did as to where it was a verbal warning, a written warning or a citation. Sometimes the citation resulted out of attitude...so keep that in mind....be safe... John....take the keys out of the ignition, hold both hands out the window...lol....you crack me up....

 

The Cubed car law here in Ontario (Canada) is brutal. You don't have to be over 50km to get your car impounded and cubed. You just have to be suspected of it.

My friend lost his Mustang a few months after this law came in to effect. He hates street racing. Thinks it should be only done on the tracks (and I agree with this thought to some degree) Anyways, when someone revs their engine at him, he'll do it back. But he lets the other driver take of and he laughs at it. Well, he did it with one of the old unmarked cars Windsor had just introduced. The unmarked took off, pulled over in front of him, arrested him, charged him and cubed the car 6 hours later.

He did go to court and the police were found to be in the wrong, but it was too late and the judge ruled that the city didn't have to reimburse him the car.

The OPP down here are real fair. I've had more than 1 warning in my time when I should of got something. But the Windsor police are dirty. They've been caught moving construction speed limit signs on to high speed roads (EC Row was the most recent example) I was actually caught with one of these. The guy took it off Central, placed it on EC Row and hid behind it. Still couldn't fight it. Judge said "You saw the sign, you have no excuse" When I said "There's no scheduled city plans for construction on EC Row until October (It was July) the judge said it didn't matter." The judge changed the charge from 40 over in a posted construction zone to failure to notice a sign. So I paid $180 and lost (or gained? I don't know anymore) 2 points.

 

that would be "entrapment" down here in the states.... I beat a citation like that in Ohio... awhile back...cost me, but beat it...lol Highway Patrol in Ohio are hit and miss, as I have met some nice officers, and some ...... we will leave it at that.... Your new resident truckers are truely bad...given the Canadians a bad name...as I know they aren't citizens per se... Too bad they won't crack down on them... Well, I think we can put this thread to bed. I still think suspending a guys license was pretty harsh...so I guess the judge thought there was some street racing going on... Speed contest in Indiana would net you that and a huge fine...so it is what it is.....all you guys stay safe out there...I have a few weeks to make up my mind whether to hang it up or not, as I only do this part-time now anyway....just way too much mandatory training for 32 hrs a month. I can understand it for full-time, but 30+ yrs service is enough....I guess...we shall see...

 

Doc-whatever you decide-I'm with you, bubba'!
Have fun and thanks for all of your advice here.

 

Would THIS be street racing? No.

But it WAS fun, I'd been following this guy about 10 miles, noticed he seemed in a hurry.
Once we got into the real curves (which happens just as this clip starts), he was just getting in the way.

I could have passed him in the right lane, but he was ALL OVER the road, as you can see - so I passed only when he moved over.

By the time the clip ends, he's gone - I waited for him at the overlook - but he just drove on by (I think he floored it when he saw me - Hell, just wanted to tell him that NO ONE in a 4WD on Blood Mountain ever did that good before.)

 

Mods, if you can figure out how - fix my post. I can't get it to display right.
Then delete this post.

 

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Pizza we need to get you off the streets and onto a closed course.